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Friday, November 06, 2009

Inequality Equals Greater Prosperity????

 

Blast the right Just when you think you've heard it all....here's a snippet from the transcript of Jack Clark's "Blast the Right" podcast about the effects great inequality has on a society......

"Brian Griffiths is a Goldman, Sachs international advisor. He was recently discussing Wall Street salaries and bonuses. You've probably heard that the financial industry is all set to award itself a record $140 billion in total compensation this year. Goldman, Sachs all by its lonesome will pass out $23 billion in bonuses."

"Griffiths said in defense of such numbers: 'We have to tolerate the inequality as a way to achieve greater prosperity and opportunity for all...' "

If you are still confused about trickle down economics, I recommend you check out this site and podcast at http://www.therationalradical.com/2009/11/158-we-have-to-tolerate-inequality-to.html; however, if you don't have time to listen to or read the entire transcript of his podcast, here's the part I found most interesting:

A book, already out in the United Kingdom, will be publihed next month here in the United States.  It's called "The Spirit Level: Why Greater Equality Makes Societies Stronger."  http://www.amazon.com/Spirit-Level-Equality-Societies-Stronger/dp/1608190366

The authors, Richard Wilkinson and Kate Pickett, have a website, http://www.equalitytrust.org.uk/.

What they have found, is that economic inequality within a society is the single most powerful determinant of whether that society will have more or less of a host of social ills.  

No one can summarize their research better than they in their own words.  From their website:

Great inequality is the scourge of modern societies. We provide the evidence on each of eleven different health and social problems: physical health, mental health, drug abuse, education, imprisonment, obesity, social mobility, trust and community life, violence, teenage births, and child well-being. For all eleven of these health and social problems, outcomes are very substantially worse in more unequal societies.

We have checked the relationships wherever possible in two independent test beds: internationally among the rich countries, and then again among the 50 states of the USA. In almost every case we find the same tendency for outcomes to be much worse in more unequal societies.

As the book's publisher put it, in reference to the United States in particular:

Almost every modern social problem—ill-health, violence, lack of community life, teen pregnancy, mental illness—is more likely to occur in a less-equal society. This is why America, by most measures the richest country on earth, has per capita shorter average lifespan, more cases of mental illness, more obesity, and more of its citizens in prison than any other developed nation.

 

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While I agree that there is great disparagy in wages in corp America, we must also realize that ours is a capitalistic society. So, I think we'll agree to disagree on this one. I certainly qualify to be listed among the many living at or below the poverty level in this country.... While I agree that much is wrong with corp Am, I can't figure out how any of us is entitled to something someone else has worked for. Would I love to see a little of that money... you betcha! Is it my right to force them to take less and/or give some to me? Nope. I worked hard all my life. I made my own money. I supported 2 kids, alone. What I earned was mine. No matter how much I did or did not earned, no one else was entitled to it.

Thank you so much for your kind words. I respect you a great deal and coming from you, they meant a lot. G
Posted 11/6/2009 10:24 PM by MorningGloria Xanga True Member Xanga Premium Member - reply

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Like I've said before - trickle down is always yellow.
Posted 11/6/2009 10:56 PM by murisopsis Xanga True Member - reply

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@MorningGloria - 


This wasn't a diatribe against capitalism nor are they promoting communism. Presently in the U.S. there is greater economic divide or disparity among the people at the very top and those at the bottom since the days of the "Robber Barons" in the late 1800's and early 1900's; and the middle class is getting smaller and smaller while the other extremes of the richest and poorest are growing larger and faster. The % of our nation's wealth held by those at the top of our economic ladder is greater than that held by the entire bottom 50+% , and since our economy depends on consumers (I think it is 70% consumer driven), it would be to our advantage if those in that bottom half had more money to buy stuff they need: food, housing, clothing and medical care. They have to spend it on necessities. There were quite a lot of data gathered plus good sources cited to support their study and observations that there is a great deal of cause and effect....and the inequality negatively affects societies' well being and quality of life


@murisopsis - I do agree.

Posted 11/6/2009 11:38 PM by Gma_Joyce - reply


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We lived on an island off the coast of Maine for almost 40 years... and in that time many of the islands that we could see and sail to, were for the most part uninhabited... Before we were forced to leave because of age problems, many of these islands were brought by very wealthy people who built expensive homes on a small portion of the land and placed the rest of the property in "tree growth" which allowed them to pay a small tax on very valuable land... One of these fellows was Mike Dingman... who came up with the first great "Garbage Company" (Waste Management), sold it to a huge defense conglomerate and became a director of that enterprise... When he piled up enough assets and the IRS started to hit him hard, he promptly resigned his US citizenship and became a citizen of tax-haven Bermuda... Last I heard, he was buying breweries in the Chech Republic... There are many of these wealthy people out there on those islands doing the exact same thing... Our system supports such behavior and the rest of the hundreds of millions of us have to pay to support their life style... That's why social democracies such Finland and others prosper because the excesses that I describe here are much more heavily taxed to support universal health coverage and other benefits... It is illegal for the most part to transfer wealth and citizenship... It and they have to stay put and pay their fair share... 
Posted 11/7/2009 3:08 PM by peterjamesmanos Xanga Premium Member - reply

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@choyshinglin - Thanks for the link to your blog. The UN report you cited on this issue was interesting reading.

Posted 11/8/2009 1:01 AM by Gma_Joyce - reply

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@peterjamesmanos - Thanks for visiting and the example you shared. There are some who never are satisfied and always want more and more. I just stared a book by Adam Hamilton titled ENOUGH: Discovering Joy Through Simplicity and Generosity....it's all about the power of money and our relationship with it in our lives and how to manage our resources, etc. Good book for these times. 

Posted 11/8/2009 1:14 AM by Gma_Joyce - reply

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Interesting thoughts... I think I'll be looking for a copy of that book.
I'm interested in how they define and defend some of their issues as "problems" of society, as well as their historical basis. Teen pregnancy? For most of human history, teens NOT being pregnant was more the issue. Mental Illness is another one... current research is very fond of a biological basis for *most* mental illnesses... I'm curious as to how they find a causal link between Mental Illness and a large rich/poor gap. In fact, causality would be key to that entire study... can it be proved (as much as causality ever can?)?

Thanks for the book report, I'll be looking forward to it!
Posted 11/8/2009 3:57 AM by Endrath - reply

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Mmm... very good point.  The disparity between the richest and the poorest in our society has increased greatly in the past fifty years.  Capitalism is a very effective tool but it is not without its problems.  Much in the same way as you need the horse to be ahead of the cart, I think society and its good needs to be leading capitalism, not the other way around.

Posted 11/8/2009 4:49 AM by christao408 Xanga True Member Xanga Lifetime Member - reply

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@Endrath - Thanks for the visit. I too would like to examine that book by Wilkinson and Pickett. I agree with you about the mental illness issue, but I suppose their point is some people are living in such misery and with so much stress because of their poverty that they suffer mental breakdowns...which their study labels "mental illness" instead of a more accurate term.

Posted 11/9/2009 12:12 AM by Gma_Joyce - reply

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I'm with you, of course.  And the mental health issue was one of the focal points of my blog this morning.
Posted 11/9/2009 6:18 AM by twoberry Xanga True Member Xanga Lifetime Member - reply

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@twoberry - I'll be sure to check out your blog. Thanks

Posted 11/9/2009 1:30 PM by Gma_Joyce - reply


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